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Several years ago my home AC quit working. It was a bit low on R22 freon. I bought two pounds from an eBay seller and refilled it myself.
The thing is R22 freon is not illegal to use. It’s illegal to manufacture.
And illegal to import into the US.
You can’t buy R22 without a valid license.
Someone will just set up an overseas version and the game of whack-a-mole continues.

Government – why we can’t have nice things.
Yeah, those bastards. I can’t believe they want us to have ::checks notes:: clean air. Don’t worry, the coal-rollers will be fine, they can still buy red white and blue truck-nuts on there.

They kill Ebay
In case you haven’t kept up, this is how it generally works: Government fines them a gazillion dollars. They fight about it in court for 5-10 years. They settle for a slap on the wrist fine. Business continues as usual.
The fighting it in court for 5 – 10 years is expensive and could wreck them too, or at the very least add a hefty percentage to the price of everything to pay for the lawyers.
They will be fine. They’ll even have all of the 7.132 billion at the end. You’ll just pay 20% more for everything you get thru ebay to feed those lawyers.
And in case you don’t want to pay 20% more, and they start losing money, they’ll do a “Netflix DVD” maneuver and shut everything down, divide up the 7.132 billion amongst the top 4 or 5 executives, and you’ll get to buy all your used stuff thru the classifieds in the paper again. Simple.
Are you using cop math? Like when they find a weed plant and claim the street value was a million dollars.
How dare the government enforce the laws.
You mean like the one that gives ebay immunity from liability for user generated content like the auction listings? It is impossible for ebay to block every product that runs afoul of some law in some jurisdiction and they actually do make an active effort. Ebay has blocked all kinds of crap to my annoyance.
I’d have expected the tariffs would help level that playing field.
No but it does require at most semi-effective enforcement of law so unjust applications of the law can be thwarted when need/will to do so is great enough.
By nice things, I mean a decent car, with good acceleration, braking, and handling, with a price tag much more reasonable than an electric. For instance, the Subaru WRX STI. They’re not selling it any more. You know why? Because this time, it was California’s GOVERNMENT that F’d with the pollution requirement making the WRX STI impossible. So, now no one can buy one since Subaru isn’t going to make something that can’t be sold in California. I had that vehicle in my gunsights 2 years ago, planning
Not even close.
There are still plenty of performance cars on the market that aren’t a Subaru Impreza of any kind. Stop being a fanboy and look at other options, or get a used one that the California Air Review Board doesn’t have a problem with; but good luck finding one that hasn’t been horribly wrecked or otherwise fucked up by some 23 year old idiot who bought it, bolted a bunch of bullshit onto it, and then drove it like a total asshole right off the road because they ran out of skill.
I am surprised with the way Trump was doing things in terms of environmental legislation and rules (and the general Trump and republican support for big business and smaller government) that Trump and the Republicans didn’t try and somehow overrule the “California Emissions” crap or otherwise federalize the rules about automotive emissions…
Do you drink Monster and suck on a vape pen?
If you wanted the best STi you wouldn’t be buying one without an EJ anyway.

By nice things, I mean a decent car, with good acceleration, braking, and handling, with a price tag much more reasonable than an electric.
Sit down and ride the bus like a good little member of the proletariat. Personal transportation is only for the bourgeois. We will make ownership too expensive and onerous for peons like yourself to clog up our roads. Besides, laws are only for the little people.
Sure and that is legit but they aren’t coming after the seller here, they are coming after the listing platform.
That’s the point. You can get high quality stuff from China, as well as crap. It’s eBay’s job to filter out the sub-standard stuff.
Amazon has the same problem. When I buy stuff from there I always make sure to test it in case it doesn’t meet the spec. Recently got a 10,000mAh power bank, and it does indeed store approximately that much energy (factoring in conversion losses etc.) but there are plenty on there which don’t come anywhere near their claimed capacity.
True. There have also been plenty of fake SSD drives that were normal looking cases with cheap flash inside that comes nowhere near the promised performance claims. Literally the grade you’d put in a giveaway promotional novelty, sold like it’s a Samsung T-5.
The price is a giveaway, so long as you’re the kind of shopper who looks around and gets suspicious when a price appears oddly low.
Sites like this are supposed to have protection from liability for third party generated/posted content. In the case of ebay those would be the listings.
Unlike the mass political censorship by the platform enabled by some loopholes in those laws this is exactly the sort of thing the laws are meant to prevent. Ebay can’t possibly be expected to detect and prevent every listing that runs afoul of a law in some jurisdiction somewhere.
This word… I don’t think it means what you think it means.
It’s unfortunate that nobody has linked to the lawsuit itself, but I’m sure https://www.techdirt.com/ [techdirt.com] will.
– Who is the plaintiff? “US” is unclear. Is it the US DoJ?
– What are the damages to the plaintiff?
– What laws did the defendant violate?
– What circumstances change the calculus? (e.g. 230’s safe harbor provisions)
Nothing burgers. I’ll have fries with that.
I don’t have the slightest clue what you’re rambling about. What does section 230 have to do with eBay selling restricted items?
An authoritarian state controlling commerce is a core identifier of fascism.
To be accurate, those also started out more fascist and less communist. Communism requires a level of fascism to implement as pure communism is unattractive and ultimately self defeating.
So enforcing laws that allow literally every person to have better lives through not having cheap assholes using banned chemicals, where those regulations have been on the books for years, is now fascism.
You should probably re-evaluate your understanding of what fascism is.
They are welcome to enforce the laws against the people selling banned products. That isn’t EBay.
Umm, let’s see .. I know thinking is hard for you, but try.
eBay is a website. eBay has users that lost items on that website. Section 230 says that eBay is not responsible for the items that those users list on their site.
How the fuck is eBay supposed to know what is and is not legal, safe or anything else? That is the whole purpose of the safe harbor provision.
The government needs to go after the individual sellers .. SMFH.
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Section 230 says that eBay is not responsible for the items that those users list on their site.
eBay banned Confederate flags and Nazi memorabilia. While I support the Section 230 argument in theory, they can certainly be forced to ban illegal item listings if they can willingly ban legal items on behalf of the woke.

I don’t have the slightest clue …
Yes, that’s evident. Other posters have explained it well. I’ll try to add to it:
eBay hosts user generated content (UGC). They don’t moderate or edit it. They are a US company and under US law (cited) they have a safe harbor from being held as the publisher or responsible party for content they didn’t post (i.e. UGC).
That means, genius, that the US DoJ has no business suing eBay, and [as a previous poster has pointed out] it should be going after the actual creators of the content (advertising for items

eBay hosts user generated content (UGC). They don’t moderate or edit it. They are a US company and under US law (cited) they have a safe harbor from being held as the publisher or responsible party for content they didn’t post (i.e. UGC).
That’s not how it works in a marketplace boss. If you think otherwise, start selling some illegal drugs on eBay and let us know how it works out for you.

That’s not how it works in a marketplace boss. If you think otherwise, start selling some illegal drugs on eBay and let us know how it works out for you.
Which “us” is this you think is owed some due diligence?
YOU are welcome to go sell drugs if you want. I don’t violate the drug laws just to show a genius on /. how eBay sucks at moderation.
Exactly, there is absolutely a line and the government is telling eBay they went over it. If we think eBay is behind the line well, this case will put it to to the test.
Section 230 is not a magic blanket over anything and everything, the most obvious exception to it’s rules are actions on a website that are illegal or facilitate illegal activities. You can’t sell drugs, you can’t threaten violence, you can’t coordinate violent acts and on and on.
The main thing the government will probably show in this cas
“That’s what gets a site in hot water, showing no effort to moderate.”
I’d contend the most recent supreme court ruling [I believe it was facebook, child porn/sex trafficking] essentially indicated that ebay would both have to know about the activity, know it was illegal, and be going out of their way to treat it differently than other similar content to lose their liability shield.
As so many have been quick to point out in defense of social media companies taking sides in politics, eBay is allowed to enforce their moderation policies and doesn’t become liable if they imperfectly do so.
Sounds like a reasonable defense to put into a motion for summary dismissal to me. Let the judge – an expert on the law – sort it out.
This is exactly what the courts are for, by the way.
Sure is but that doesn’t mean it isn’t also fair and insightful commentary to post on here.
Ebay doesn’t sell anything and Section 230 protects them from liability from content third parties list using their platform.
The government is trying to ignore/bypass this because they don’t want to do the same unreasonable work they expect Ebay to do, police all the sellers.
Hey, this here:
“- What laws did the defendant violate?”
There’s only 1 law any more. It is: “Don’t do anything unusual.” Check and see – you find that people get stopped in their cars for shit that is nowhere close to illegal, but they just happen to be the only one doing it, so… arrest ’em. “For what?” “Never mind, we’ll think of something.”
It’s like Michigan, who never had a radar detector law, was arresting people for having one anyway, and trying to apply something obscure and decades old, befor
Walmart and Kroger for selling Coca Cola and Pepsi, as those are clearly harmful products?
Aren’t most of these eBay “defeat” devices scams?
They connect to the OBD-2 port, make a show of blinking lights, and that’s it, the rest is all placebo.
Anyways, if eBay gets struct down for these, I won’t complain, even if it does nothing to emissions.
In a lot of cases that’s enough since if you have a CEL on your car from say, disabling an emission device in a state with inspections you can’t pass.
For my Tacoma I had a failed “Secondary Air Injection Pump Smog Pump” which is just an air pump that injects air into the manifold to reduce emissions but only ever on cold startups. At the time it was $900 to replace since you had to buy an entire assembly. Since I am not in an inspection state I was able to purchase a little PCB that wired in and both disa [hewitt-tech.com]
I built a similar device for an old Benz of mine. The engine passages were carboned up and the O2 sensor would not detect enough of a change when the air pump was running. It was a little board with a relay and a few other parts wired into the ECU compartment. When power was applied to the blower it turned on the relay and switched some resistor in the path of the O2 sensor. The readings looked like it dropped and the check engine light stayed off.
Disabling parts of your emissions system and/or ignoring the CEL is rarely to your long term benefit. If nothing else you will accelerate wear and tear on the catalytic converter and those cost a small fortune to replace. You are usually shooting yourself in the foot on fuel economy too.
There’s photo sensing technology out there that can detect vehicles with faulty emissions systems on the roadways outside of the annual inspection game. The NMA [motorists.org] has a position paper [motorists.org] on it and advocates for wider scale ad
Sure, in a lot of cases it can be bad, especially like in your case an O2 sensor is not really an “emissions” component but a vital part of the engine, not servicing that is really going to wreak havoc since your ECU has not enough information to know how it should adjust trims. Like a lot of things having some knowledge and ability about your car and a bit of research goes a long long way.
In my particular case I found out pretty quickly it’s a well known issue amongst these vehicles and pretty established
These unusual but so common we all run into them on the regular situations that don’t fit in the one size fits all rules are exactly why freedom requires imperfect law enforcement.
Basically the state should have limited enough resources to fight crime that they never get around to harmless good faith workarounds and minor mutinies like this. And if they do so anyway, flipping them the bird when they try to jail your neighbor is what jury nullification is for.
There’s photo sensing technology out there that can detect vehicles with faulty emissions systems on the roadways outside of the annual inspection game. The NMA [motorists.org] has a position paper [motorists.org] on it and advocates for wider scale adoption in lieu of costly annual inspections.
Not every state requires emissions checks.
The point is the roadside sensing technology is better than emissions checks. Even the States without emissions checks have laws against faulty emission control systems. They just don’t waste your time compelling you to take a perfectly functional vehicle through an annual test. You can and will get pulled over if your vehicle is trailing smoke though. Ditto in the States with emissions checks, that “passed” sticker doesn’t negate the cloud of smoke coming out of the tailpipe.
In a lot of cases that’s enough since if you have a CEL on your car from say, disabling an emission device in a state with inspections you can’t pass
What’s a “CEL”?
This is all interesting talk…I’ve never lived in a state where I had to get my emissions checked.
I thought it was pretty much only California that did that on cars….
Things like oxygen sensor simulators or “tuning” devices so people in diesel trucks can pwn libs by rolling coal. Personally I find wiping my ass with dollar bills more fulfilling than converting diesel into soot.
If you have a non-astigmatic prescription for nearsighted glasses, you can get “myopia reading glasses” on EBay for $10-15 … whereas legit glasses stores tend to charge $100+ for the same damn thing.
I know, “myopia reading glasses” is an oxymoron, but it’s technically illegal to sell negative diopter specs OTC in the US (unlike basically all of the rest of the world, thanks Big Pharma), so they use a workaround.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Those glasses are for sale in my local grocery+ store. (I’d say department store, but it’s mainly groceries.)
It’s illegal to sell negative diopter glasses OTC in the “Land of the Free.”
So sellers label then as “myopia reading glasses” or “negative reading glasses” just to get around EBay’s nanny content filters.
Well, ISTM I’ve seen both on sale. I can’t be really certain, as it’s been well over a year since I examined them. (They didn’t work, because I have too much astigmatism, so I stopped looking at them.)
A quick google search shows Walmart advertising both farsighted and nearsighted glasses.
Walmart sells prescription lenses.

I know, “myopia reading glasses” is an oxymoron, but it’s technically illegal to sell negative diopter specs OTC in the US
How about positive dioptre glasses because reading glasses have positive dioptre lenses to move the near point of your vision nearer so that you can read.
Amazon isn’t usually the retailer, they are just the listing platform, the seller listing is the retailer. Ebay as far as I know doesn’t retail anything at all.
No, the Feds would like them to be gatekeepers on enforcement. They don’t have to be even if they to some extent choose to selectively be, that is what 230 is about.
“They payments go through them so I would argue that they are selling products.”
By that reasoning Visa, Mastercard, and Amex and pretty much every bank are in deep trouble… millions of illegal transactions run through them every day.
Too bad really. Methylene chloride isn’t illegal. It’s an effective solvent that used to be used in paint removers. It was removed from consumer paint removers in 2019 because some basic precautions are needed that consumers can’t be trusted to follow (like gloves and adequate ventilation), but it’s still used in professional paint removers and other products. The fact that it’s “linked with cancer” is completely irrelevant, it just requires some basic training to use safely, but you can’t trust the average DIYer to understand basic instructions anymore. Everything has to be safe enough to bathe your child in now or it’s banned.
I actually hope ebay weasels out of those charges because it’s the only effective way to remove some paints.
That’s what has always been great about ebay, you can get around most nonsense nanny laws when you need to and most importantly you can bypass so called ‘safety’ regulations that are really nothing more than exclusive contracts for paid servicers.
This is how I have a light and uv curable resin I can bust out when the dentist claims I have “pre-cavities.” For $60 I have everything covered for more than I’ll ever need. I actually have lidocaine and could do it but for a real cavity that could have decay that
I remember when it was possible to buy parts for fighter jets on ebay. Those were the good ol days of freedom.

The San Jose, California-based company also allegedly distributed 5,614 paint and coating removal products containing methylene chloride
eBay isn’t Amazon, they don’t distribute stuff. They just connect buyers to sellers and also optionally sell postage. It’s UPS, FedEx, DHL and the USPS that did the distribution. But they’re common carriers (actual ones, not what the people opposing free speech on the internet think it means) so you can’t sue them…
…they keep selling horse speculums nothing will really change…
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